...But for now, before diving into the article on Honorius, I'm off to eat some real pizza with some real priest-friends at a real pizzaria (well, as real a pizzaria as you'll find in southern Maryland).
Oh, the highlight of the trip to Norcia this weekend, on the list immediately after Mass and Office with the monks in the new chapel and the lovely snowfall ,was a treat visit to the best little hole in the wall pizzaria in Italy, the Norcia Pizza takeaway. The crust perfectly delicately crisp, the olive oil flavoured gently with rosemary... I missed it so much, and it's one of the big natural consolations that if everything else in Norcia is barely recognisable, at least the pizza place is still there, and still exactly as it was.
(And thank you for adding the link to the SSPX videos, I had completely forgotten they were there.)
I'm really grateful for your post this week, because out of the blue, three people (non-Catholics) that I have known for years have suddenly been showing interest in Traditional Catholicism.
I can answer their questions to a point, but where today's situation in the world and the Church are concerned, those videos and this entire article are going to help tremendously.
I don't know if I'm looking at possible conversions here or not, but I damn-well don't want to mess it up if that's what it is for any or all of them.
The timing of this article's arrival is so ... perfect, for lack of a better word. I don't believe in coincidences, but this sure is a meaningful synchronicity, if anything. What are the odds you would post exactly what I needed right when I needed it most?
Hey, I just said pretty much the same thing on my own blog right at the end of the year! http://v-forvictory.blogspot.com/2021/12/random-observations-at-years-end.html I am glad to be confirmed in my thoughts about this extremely difficult pontificate that evidently seeks to excommunicate the whole Church throughout history.
This is a time of clarity in the Church and outside the Church, and there will be more to come. The moral panic of 2020 showed us exactly where we stand in relation to our secular rulers. It showed us who we are, and how ready we are to surrender our freedom and condemn anyone who won't conform. It also showed us the utter bankruptcy of the Vatican II experiment, which left us with priests and bishops who were prepared to lock the churches in our faces and deprived us of the Sacraments in a time of crisis. Next up, we are going to see the moment of truth for the Ecclesia Dei societies. Archbishop Lefebvre is vindicated more and more every day, and I am sorry I ever thought of him as a schismatic. So far it looks like the only thing he was wrong about was in thinking it would only take five or six years for the Church to come to her senses.
Speaking of which, the SSPX Crisis in the Church series is as excellent as it is comprehensive.
Yes, I imagine the times were not so dire in the early 1970s, and he didn't anticipate the rise of the compromise position of "conservative" novusordoism that would prolong this nightmare for so many decades. I'm rewatching some of the videos in the series. I honestly had never really given much attention to the SSPX. I was grateful they were there and had done what they did, but I had the sacramental life I needed elsewhere and even I saw no urgent necessity and was somewhat dubious about their claim of supplied jurisdiction. I could understand the arguments for it and see their merits, but it seemed too much to ask me to risk my eternal salvation on a theological or canonical fringe theory. Well... haven't events done a lot to clarify that situation! It's only been in the last few months, to be honest, that I've examined their side of things more closely, and I'm surprised at how perfectly matched they are to the observations I've been making all this time. Of course, I don't imagine that agreeing with me (or me with them) proves anything, but it is at least enough to keep me focused on the discussion.
I thought the same thing till the lockout! Have watched the entire Crisis series very good! This is how we should be taught, not the water downed pablum we have been fed. Also watched the Lefebvre documentary, so much he accomplished, so warm to hear about all his years in Africa brought so many souls to the faith. Nothing like media portrays him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cf9oy7wDkms
All I can say about the SSPX is they have been in this fight a long time and will fight for the Mass of the Ages, they been doing it a long time. As we have seen in church history a person/organization can be out then back in.
For me will wait and see how this drama plays out with so many sleepers out there.
Jesus will win of course but hope it is in my lifetime!
Yeah, me too. Lefebvre doc + crisis series. Just recently too. Last couple of months. I seriously knew next to nothing about them outside broadest terms. I never heard anyone I knew or trusted say anything negative about Lefebvre personally, even people who disagreed with what he did. I had no idea how closely my ideas and thoughts were aligning with them.
Yeah me too learning so much each day and why did I never hear any of this...oh yeah the media! Well I'm glad to be learning it NOW (and you are on this journey too).
I just want to know the truth never knew how hard that would be!
Love learning it now but who can I share it with?? my church Not! they look at you like deer in the headlights. In a bible class had a woman rave about how great Fr James Martin is! I must thank Our Lady for holding my mouth shut and keep me in my seat!
Well done Hilary. Yes, we can thank Bergoglio for 'outing' Vatican II for some conservative Catholics. My guess is most of them will go along to get along with the continued Protestantization of the Church. Hopefully SSPX will continue as a safe haven and that Archbishop Vigano will continue to provide us clear direction, especially if/when Catholics may be required to sign an oath of allegiance to the Pope and Vatican II. I think we are headed for some sort of underground Catholic Church not dissimilar to the sedevancantists. Overall, conservative Catholics are having their apocalyptic moment. Let us all ask Our Lady to help us. She told us what would happen to the Church. For those with eyes to see it is here.
Well said, Miss White. I agree. Would it be permitted for me to post this somewhere, giving credit (as is due), along with a link to it here at substack? I'd love to bring this to the attention of my fellows at Fisheaters, but only with your permission.
First of all, my condolences for what you're having to endure with this totalitarian C-19 nightmare. I imagine it's just a matter of time before the masses have been conditioned to welcome the same here on American soil.
I was born into the Catholic church, about a year after the New Mass went into effect. I've been in and out of the church my entire life and have always struggled with faith, and I think the poor catechesis that was so rampant when I was receiving my first sacraments in the '70s had a great deal to do with that. I never had a firm foundation to set my feet down upon. Our churches were so focused on hiding away their Mary statues and discouraging rosary use -- i.e., doing all they could to suppress anything that made the Catholic church Catholic, in the name of ecumenism -- that they never showed me how our church was different from any other one on the menu, or why I should even stay. So I didn't.
Over the past five years or so, I've been floating between Catholicism and Orthodoxy. I started attending an FSSP church for Advent, and then the latest round of edicts came down from Rome only a week or two later. All the problems the church faces, and Bergoglio obsesses over the less than 1% of Catholics who, in this case, are assuredly more Catholic than the pope. Which, of course, is why he's scapegoating them. The authoritarian impulse that lives within people like Bergoglio demands it.
I don't see the FSSP surviving this, and I imagine the SSPX will be declared in schism. For now I've returned to an Eastern Catholic parish that I joined a few years ago. It's a long drive to get there, but for now it seems like a safe haven. But Orthodoxy still beckons. I know the East has its own problems, but never in a million years would an Orthodox patriarch ever dream of attacking his own church's sacred liturgy.
that's rough. I'm sorry. Yeah, I don't really see the FSSP having the structural integrity or sense of purpose they'd need. But an organisation is more than just a group identity; individual priests in there are really good, a lot of them. I think its dissolution will likely be the start of something else that's much better.
Hi Hilary, I don't follow anyone, but I just found you, and became a fan, and a follower. I just found this post 3/8/23. My jaw is dropping. Thank you for frankly describing the sickening reality of the situation we live in where the true teachings of the Church are being eroded from within.
Our SSPX pastor gave a sermon on obedience today. He is a 27 year old Englishman ordained last year at Econe. He explained true and false obedience and why Archbishop Lefebvre could never obey a Pope’s order that went against divine law. What a gift he is to our Chapel in Indiana!
I've already read it twice.
I'd like to make my way through the SSPX video series, I'm a few episodes in already.
I'll also start on the Encyclopedia article on Honorius. I've forgotten the details on him. Great comparison.
...But for now, before diving into the article on Honorius, I'm off to eat some real pizza with some real priest-friends at a real pizzaria (well, as real a pizzaria as you'll find in southern Maryland).
Oh, the highlight of the trip to Norcia this weekend, on the list immediately after Mass and Office with the monks in the new chapel and the lovely snowfall ,was a treat visit to the best little hole in the wall pizzaria in Italy, the Norcia Pizza takeaway. The crust perfectly delicately crisp, the olive oil flavoured gently with rosemary... I missed it so much, and it's one of the big natural consolations that if everything else in Norcia is barely recognisable, at least the pizza place is still there, and still exactly as it was.
Wonderfully, eloquently, and clearly true!
(And thank you for adding the link to the SSPX videos, I had completely forgotten they were there.)
I'm really grateful for your post this week, because out of the blue, three people (non-Catholics) that I have known for years have suddenly been showing interest in Traditional Catholicism.
I can answer their questions to a point, but where today's situation in the world and the Church are concerned, those videos and this entire article are going to help tremendously.
I don't know if I'm looking at possible conversions here or not, but I damn-well don't want to mess it up if that's what it is for any or all of them.
The timing of this article's arrival is so ... perfect, for lack of a better word. I don't believe in coincidences, but this sure is a meaningful synchronicity, if anything. What are the odds you would post exactly what I needed right when I needed it most?
Thank you, thank you and thank you again!
Oh Well, Joe. Thank you for all the long and interesting discussions over the last while. They've certainly been more than a little helpful to me too.
Hey, I just said pretty much the same thing on my own blog right at the end of the year! http://v-forvictory.blogspot.com/2021/12/random-observations-at-years-end.html I am glad to be confirmed in my thoughts about this extremely difficult pontificate that evidently seeks to excommunicate the whole Church throughout history.
This is a time of clarity in the Church and outside the Church, and there will be more to come. The moral panic of 2020 showed us exactly where we stand in relation to our secular rulers. It showed us who we are, and how ready we are to surrender our freedom and condemn anyone who won't conform. It also showed us the utter bankruptcy of the Vatican II experiment, which left us with priests and bishops who were prepared to lock the churches in our faces and deprived us of the Sacraments in a time of crisis. Next up, we are going to see the moment of truth for the Ecclesia Dei societies. Archbishop Lefebvre is vindicated more and more every day, and I am sorry I ever thought of him as a schismatic. So far it looks like the only thing he was wrong about was in thinking it would only take five or six years for the Church to come to her senses.
Speaking of which, the SSPX Crisis in the Church series is as excellent as it is comprehensive.
Yes, I imagine the times were not so dire in the early 1970s, and he didn't anticipate the rise of the compromise position of "conservative" novusordoism that would prolong this nightmare for so many decades. I'm rewatching some of the videos in the series. I honestly had never really given much attention to the SSPX. I was grateful they were there and had done what they did, but I had the sacramental life I needed elsewhere and even I saw no urgent necessity and was somewhat dubious about their claim of supplied jurisdiction. I could understand the arguments for it and see their merits, but it seemed too much to ask me to risk my eternal salvation on a theological or canonical fringe theory. Well... haven't events done a lot to clarify that situation! It's only been in the last few months, to be honest, that I've examined their side of things more closely, and I'm surprised at how perfectly matched they are to the observations I've been making all this time. Of course, I don't imagine that agreeing with me (or me with them) proves anything, but it is at least enough to keep me focused on the discussion.
I thought the same thing till the lockout! Have watched the entire Crisis series very good! This is how we should be taught, not the water downed pablum we have been fed. Also watched the Lefebvre documentary, so much he accomplished, so warm to hear about all his years in Africa brought so many souls to the faith. Nothing like media portrays him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cf9oy7wDkms
All I can say about the SSPX is they have been in this fight a long time and will fight for the Mass of the Ages, they been doing it a long time. As we have seen in church history a person/organization can be out then back in.
For me will wait and see how this drama plays out with so many sleepers out there.
Jesus will win of course but hope it is in my lifetime!
Yeah, me too. Lefebvre doc + crisis series. Just recently too. Last couple of months. I seriously knew next to nothing about them outside broadest terms. I never heard anyone I knew or trusted say anything negative about Lefebvre personally, even people who disagreed with what he did. I had no idea how closely my ideas and thoughts were aligning with them.
Yeah me too learning so much each day and why did I never hear any of this...oh yeah the media! Well I'm glad to be learning it NOW (and you are on this journey too).
I just want to know the truth never knew how hard that would be!
Love learning it now but who can I share it with?? my church Not! they look at you like deer in the headlights. In a bible class had a woman rave about how great Fr James Martin is! I must thank Our Lady for holding my mouth shut and keep me in my seat!
This is a great adventure for us all !
Well done Hilary. Yes, we can thank Bergoglio for 'outing' Vatican II for some conservative Catholics. My guess is most of them will go along to get along with the continued Protestantization of the Church. Hopefully SSPX will continue as a safe haven and that Archbishop Vigano will continue to provide us clear direction, especially if/when Catholics may be required to sign an oath of allegiance to the Pope and Vatican II. I think we are headed for some sort of underground Catholic Church not dissimilar to the sedevancantists. Overall, conservative Catholics are having their apocalyptic moment. Let us all ask Our Lady to help us. She told us what would happen to the Church. For those with eyes to see it is here.
Yes indeed and pray Our Lady protect Archbishop Vigano, Bishop Athanasius Schneider, Fr Altman and all the other brave warrior priest fighting for us.
Well said, Miss White. I agree. Would it be permitted for me to post this somewhere, giving credit (as is due), along with a link to it here at substack? I'd love to bring this to the attention of my fellows at Fisheaters, but only with your permission.
Share away. Include a link.
First of all, my condolences for what you're having to endure with this totalitarian C-19 nightmare. I imagine it's just a matter of time before the masses have been conditioned to welcome the same here on American soil.
I was born into the Catholic church, about a year after the New Mass went into effect. I've been in and out of the church my entire life and have always struggled with faith, and I think the poor catechesis that was so rampant when I was receiving my first sacraments in the '70s had a great deal to do with that. I never had a firm foundation to set my feet down upon. Our churches were so focused on hiding away their Mary statues and discouraging rosary use -- i.e., doing all they could to suppress anything that made the Catholic church Catholic, in the name of ecumenism -- that they never showed me how our church was different from any other one on the menu, or why I should even stay. So I didn't.
Over the past five years or so, I've been floating between Catholicism and Orthodoxy. I started attending an FSSP church for Advent, and then the latest round of edicts came down from Rome only a week or two later. All the problems the church faces, and Bergoglio obsesses over the less than 1% of Catholics who, in this case, are assuredly more Catholic than the pope. Which, of course, is why he's scapegoating them. The authoritarian impulse that lives within people like Bergoglio demands it.
I don't see the FSSP surviving this, and I imagine the SSPX will be declared in schism. For now I've returned to an Eastern Catholic parish that I joined a few years ago. It's a long drive to get there, but for now it seems like a safe haven. But Orthodoxy still beckons. I know the East has its own problems, but never in a million years would an Orthodox patriarch ever dream of attacking his own church's sacred liturgy.
that's rough. I'm sorry. Yeah, I don't really see the FSSP having the structural integrity or sense of purpose they'd need. But an organisation is more than just a group identity; individual priests in there are really good, a lot of them. I think its dissolution will likely be the start of something else that's much better.
Hi Hilary, I don't follow anyone, but I just found you, and became a fan, and a follower. I just found this post 3/8/23. My jaw is dropping. Thank you for frankly describing the sickening reality of the situation we live in where the true teachings of the Church are being eroded from within.
BTW, Who did that great cartoon?
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Our SSPX pastor gave a sermon on obedience today. He is a 27 year old Englishman ordained last year at Econe. He explained true and false obedience and why Archbishop Lefebvre could never obey a Pope’s order that went against divine law. What a gift he is to our Chapel in Indiana!